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What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 17 February 2018, 22:32

Hi guys!

I am a journalism student currently working on an article for my course that I would also like to pitch to a newspaper or magazine once it is done.

I was wondering what are some of the main issues faced by gay people in the UK today? What are your experiences? And have you ever been asked to participate in gay conversion therapy or been attacked? If anyone would be willing to speak to me for the article that would be great. I am really interested in issues gay people still face today because I feel more has to be done and people need to be aware of this. Also, it would be great to speak to someone who has had an experience in London.

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Hi guys,

Thanks for your response.

Attacks on the lgbtq community have significantly increased in the UK since 2013. Also, "One in five LGBT people (21 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months" — reported September last year.

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/hate-c ... -cent-2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 33126.html

In addition, there has been issues surrounding the NHS recommending gay conversion therapy to people and it is still a legal practice in the UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42817947. Vue cinema recently almost let an organisation host event promoting gay conversion therapy which they cancelled once it was taken up by a lgbtq news platform. https://inews.co.uk/news/vue-cinemas-ca ... e-therapy/

So there is definitely still an issue here. My premise was that although the UK has come along way, there are still issues that need to be addressed. I was hoping to compare it to the 1960, though it depends on the response I receive.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Yeauxleaux » 17 February 2018, 22:44

Honestly it's very liberal on the whole. I don't speak for all gay British people, obviously some do have bad experiences, but it doesn't seem anywhere near as widespread as it does in some other countries. We have great access to sexual health services in cities, a vibrant urban gay scene and things are pretty tolerant on the whole.

I'd say I faced some "ignorance" as a teenager when I was in school, but then what teen doesn't in some way? I think that's part of growing up.

From what I've seen, the gays who seem to have it hardest here are the ones from very conservative insular minority communities. I'm not in that position myself though, so while I'll point it out and support them because I think it does need discussing, I won't speak for them.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 17 February 2018, 23:00

I’ve lived and worked in London for most of my life.

I have never been attacked, mocked or assaulted on account of my sexuality. I don’t know anyone that has been assaulted on account of their sexuality.

Especially in London, as a city on the whole, there aren’t really any prevailing issues affecting the homosexual community. There is a thriving gay social scene, people can walk each other up the aisle regardless of gender, there are health and support services geared directly toward the community. In a number of way, especially around sexual health, it’s better catered for than the heterosexual community simply because of outreach and visibility.

On a national level, there are openly gay and accepted members of the clergy all the way up to bishop level. Hate crime based on sexuality has a really low offence rate. More and more, acceptance is the standard.

I’d say, as has been mentioned above, the main source of issues around sexuality seem to come from insular communities not of British descent. Not only Asian communities, but Eastern European and - especially in London - Orthodox Jewish communities. But even then these aren’t so much issues of persecution, but more acceptance and understanding. Whilst there is still violence and risk of violence in the vast minority of these situations, it is a minority in steady decline.

Overall, I think the UK is a quite nice place to be if you’re LGBT or otherwise differently labelled.

I’d be interested to hear what you feel the issues facing our community are that you’d apparently like to raise awareness of. If I’m honest, your article doesn’t really seem to have much journalistic merit as presented.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 17 February 2018, 23:29

Hi guys,

Thanks for your response.

Attacks on the lgbtq community have significantly increased in the UK since 2013. Also, "One in five LGBT people (21 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months" — reported September last year.
http://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/hate-c ... -cent-2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 33126.html

In addition, there has been issues surrounding the NHS recommending gay conversion therapy to people and it is still a legal practice in the UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42817947. Vue cinema recently almost let an organisation host event promoting gay conversion therapy which they cancelled once it was taken up by a lgbtq news platform. https://inews.co.uk/news/vue-cinemas-ca ... e-therapy/

So there is definitely still an issue here. I premise was that although the UK has come along way, there are still issues that need to be addressed. I was hoping to compare it to the 1960, though it depends on the response I receive.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Yeauxleaux » 18 February 2018, 05:56

I would put that down to how extremely sensationalised the topic of homosexuality, and wider "oppression" narratives, are this decade. Firstly, there's now much more visibility and a "voice" for gay people. Tt makes sense then that more will come forward and talk about negative experiences they've had, in fact we're almost encouraged to now. I also think a strong sensationalism culture like this is creating a backlash (even if it's not extremely widespread, it exists). This is because people aren't allowing social progress to happen naturally and organically. It's being rammed down everyone's throats that they must accept homosexuality (and other liberal and pseudo-liberal causes) now. While obviously that's well intentioned and I appreciate that to some degree, people generally don't like being told what to think in this very authoritarian way, and they will eventually start rebelling against it. Enter things like the alt-Right, Brexit, the rise of Donald Trump and all these things. I don't support or like any of these things, but I maintain they're a backlash to extreme political correctness we've had since the 90s.

We also have to consider what's being labelled as a "hate crime", or this even more ambiguous word "incident". I hate to say this because I don't want to dismiss genuine acts of violence or discrimination against gays, but we do live in a very hypersensitive culture these days. Things get called "hate speech" or "discrimination" very easily over the most trivial percieved slight against minorities. So when I hear that statistic that one in five have been treated "violently" in one year alone ... I honestly don't know if I believe that, certainly not among the native ethnic-British majority and well-integrated minorities anyway (I'm actually the latter). Like I said earlier I've encountered ignorance as a gay man, people saying silly comments, not understanding homosexuality, having politically incorrect humour (which I have absolutely no issue with), things like that. I have honestly never in my life experienced anything I could remotely call an act of outright "hatred", that's such a strong word. I grew up in a religious soft-conservative Catholic community too, my upbringing wasn't even "liberal" in the British sense.

Again I speak for myself and what I've seen with most gay men I interact with. I'm not going to say there's no violence or discrimination in the UK, that would be stupid, but I don't want to sensationalise it and make it seem worse than it actually is.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 18 February 2018, 14:14

The only serious issue I can think of now and (especially) in the future: Muslims.

Also, though to a much lesser degree since Cameron: Tories. Particularly the rank and file.

The former is much more serious than the latter because the trajectory of established political parties with respect to social issues is toward liberalism, while the trajectory of the Muslim population tends toward illiberalism.

Overall, though, this is probably the second best country for LGB people, after the Netherlands. In some ways it's probably better.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Yeauxleaux » 18 February 2018, 18:30

Brenden wrote:The only serious issue I can think of now and (especially) in the future: Muslims.
That's the elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about, for fear of being called "racist" (as if Islam is a race). Also because now, even here in the "The Free World", there's an increasing risk of violence for talking honestly about that religion. Islam is the current biggest threat to gays globally. It might not be the only one, but it's the most widespread and rapidly growing.

Again I don't want to sensationalise the issue and turn it into some "armageddon imminent", but we do need to talk openly about it.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 18 February 2018, 20:25

PforPresh wrote:In addition, there has been issues surrounding the NHS recommending gay conversion therapy to people […]. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42817947.

Uh, like, 50 years ago. Not today, as the BBC article indicated.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 10:26

Brenden wrote:
PforPresh wrote:In addition, there has been issues surrounding the NHS recommending gay conversion therapy to people […]. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42817947.

Uh, like, 50 years ago. Not today, as the BBC article indicated.


It still happens today which is what my second link was. And it's still legal
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 19 February 2018, 10:47

PforPresh wrote:
Brenden wrote:
PforPresh wrote:In addition, there has been issues surrounding the NHS recommending gay conversion therapy to people […]. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42817947.

Uh, like, 50 years ago. Not today, as the BBC article indicated.

It still happens today which is what my second link was. And it's still legal

That’s not the NHS, though. That’s just a private group. You made the claim that there’s “issues surrounding the NHS recommending” the therapy.

Note what I specifically quoted and was replying to. ;)

That second link even said “expert bodies – from World Psychiatric Association through to the NHS – have disavowed so-called ‘gay cure’ therapy.”
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 10:50

Apologies.

There have been issues surrounding people in health care (including those working for the NHS) recommending to to people, which I can find for you. Even though it is not condoned, it is still sometimes recommended. And the extra point, which was related, but not related to the NHS was that others are still openly practicing it and promoting it such as this group.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 19 February 2018, 11:02

Do we now ban thoughts and beliefs?
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 11:12

Of course that is not what I am saying, but this is something that not only suggests that being gay is something that can be cured, but as the Guardian wrote a few years ago "People who have gone through conversion therapy face 8.9 times the rates of suicide ideation, face depression at 5.9 times the rate of their peers and are three times more likely to use illegal drugs and be at high risk for sexually transmitted infections." So there are many reasons why it shouldn't be available.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 19 February 2018, 14:21

It's becoming less and less available/pushed, and is now advised against by just about every medical group in the country, including the NHS. So what more do you want? There has to be a balance between reducing harm and freedom of thought, belief, and accordant action. Society can ostracise these people, as Odeon did of its own accord. But unless anyone is forcing or coercing someone to go to such therapy, there's not much more than can be done within the constrains of a liberal society and legal system.

I don't think it's an issue "facing" gays in the UK today, due to its clear decline and distaste for it. Seems like focusing on it is more a part of the victimhood narrative, especially while there are gay people literally being thrown off buildings and burned to death in the streets, who we're not letting in easily as asylum seekers.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Derek » 19 February 2018, 14:23

Is conversion therapy illegal for teens in the UK? It is in some states.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 14:46

I can't find anything about any age restrictions, unfortunately.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 14:49

Brenden wrote:It's becoming less and less available/pushed, and is now advised against by just about every medical group in the country, including the NHS. So what more do you want? There has to be a balance between reducing harm and freedom of thought, belief, and accordant action. Society can ostracise these people, as Odeon did of its own accord. But unless anyone is forcing or coercing someone to go to such therapy, there's not much more than can be done within the constrains of a liberal society and legal system.

I don't think it's an issue "facing" gays in the UK today, due to its clear decline and distaste for it. Seems like focusing on it is more a part of the victimhood narrative, especially while there are gay people literally being thrown off buildings and burned to death in the streets, who we're not letting in easily as asylum seekers.


Thanks for your opinion. It's good to get equal points of view on the matter and if I was to do an article, I would be pushing my own opinion as that would not be what I am about. I merely trying to put across an issue discussed and if I was to talk about the matter or any matter, I would talk to people who agree with it and people who don't.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 19 February 2018, 15:23

I think good journalism is gathering all the facts and writing to them. I’m afraid you’re coming across a little as having decided on something you want to write and then only presenting information to support its value.

Are you sure that a degree of confirmation bias isn’t affecting your judgement? Might it not be better to take a step back and perhaps see if another perspective would make the article better?
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 15:50

As I said in my previous reply. "It's good to get equal points of view on the matter and if I was to do an article, I would be pushing my own opinion as that would not be what I am about. I merely trying to put across an issue discussed and if I was to talk about the matter or any matter, I would talk to people who agree with it and people who don't.

Sorry, I mean "I wouldn't be pushing"
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