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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 19 February 2018, 16:10

In addition, I haven't actually disagreed with anybody's point other than there are issues surrounding gay conversion therapy. If I wanted to present my opinion as fact, I would not be on this message board in the first place! I'm quite open to others opinions and was actually hoping to discuss further about some of the points made once I have gathered all I need to know as to what people think! I'm happy to be hearing points beyond and different to what I thought it would be. Thank you for responding to me!
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby René » 19 February 2018, 17:16

Based on my experience living in this country for 7.5 years, there aren't any. All the interactions in which people were aware that I'm married to a man either fall under the category of acting like it's the most normal thing in the world or being positively delighted for us.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PforPresh » 21 February 2018, 11:28

Brenden wrote:I don't think it's an issue "facing" gays in the UK today, due to its clear decline and distaste for it. Seems like focusing on it is more a part of the victimhood narrative, especially while there are gay people literally being thrown off buildings and burned to death in the streets, who we're not letting in easily as asylum seekers.


Yeauxleaux wrote:I would put that down to how extremely sensationalised the topic of homosexuality, and wider "oppression" narratives, are this decade. Firstly, there's now much more visibility and a "voice" for gay people. Tt makes sense then that more will come forward and talk about negative experiences they've had, in fact we're almost encouraged to now. I also think a strong sensationalism culture like this is creating a backlash (even if it's not extremely widespread, it exists). This is because people aren't allowing social progress to happen naturally and organically. It's being rammed down everyone's throats that they must accept homosexuality (and other liberal and pseudo-liberal causes) now. While obviously that's well intentioned and I appreciate that to some degree, people generally don't like being told what to think in this very authoritarian way, and they will eventually start rebelling against it. Enter things like the alt-Right, Brexit, the rise of Donald Trump and all these things. I don't support or like any of these things, but I maintain they're a backlash to extreme political correctness we've had since the 90s.


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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 21 February 2018, 15:38

René wrote:Based on my experience living in this country for 7.5 years, there aren't any. All the interactions in which people were aware that I'm married to a man either fall under the category of acting like it's the most normal thing in the world or being positively delighted for us.


Interesting. All the comments above and I have to think London and the UK are way more progressive about accepting of LGBT compared to San Francisco and the US respectively. While I'm not surprised about UK vs US but even in SF, there are still those prejudged against LGBT.

WRT another aspect of this, compared to women's rights and minority rights, do you feel LGBT is discriminated against employment opportunity wise? While for the company I work for is rather progressive, it is large, and hence full of people not exactly accepting of LGBT. Hence I feel this possibly translates to gays being a bit economically disadvantaged? Sure, you can point out individuals of celebrities and such, but as a whole, I wonder...
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 February 2018, 19:20

I concur with much of what other people have said, even in just the last 15 or so years, things have equalised greatly. I don't get shit from anyone, no matter where I go. I might get some odd looks if I walk down the street holding hands with some guy, but nobody says anything.

As to reports of violence, it should be kept in mind that violent crimes in the uk include, harrassment, things like someone declaring one is gay, in a loud tone of voice or with exaggerated gestures, in such a fashion as to make the "victim" feel uncomfortable, will often be classified as violent crime, should someone report such. Seems silly, I know, but there it is. As such, when looking to statistics on violent crimes, the nature and definition of the term for that data and what it represents is very important.

Certain American journalists have sought to imply that London is more dangerous a place to live due the much higher rate of "violent" crime, but fail to mention, that what the US deems "Violent crime" is a far cry from what the MET deem, "Violent Crime"
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 21 February 2018, 22:04

mxguy01 wrote:WRT another aspect of this, compared to women's rights and minority rights, do you feel LGBT is discriminated against employment opportunity wise? While for the company I work for is rather progressive, it is large, and hence full of people not exactly accepting of LGBT. Hence I feel this possibly translates to gays being a bit economically disadvantaged? Sure, you can point out individuals of celebrities and such, but as a whole, I wonder...

A lot of big companies here have LGBT employee groups. Like ASDA, the UK grocery store that's a subsidiary of Walmart, has a group that organises days out for gay employees and makes a showing at a few pride parades.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 22 February 2018, 00:00

Brenden wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:WRT another aspect of this, compared to women's rights and minority rights, do you feel LGBT is discriminated against employment opportunity wise? While for the company I work for is rather progressive, it is large, and hence full of people not exactly accepting of LGBT. Hence I feel this possibly translates to gays being a bit economically disadvantaged? Sure, you can point out individuals of celebrities and such, but as a whole, I wonder...

A lot of big companies here have LGBT employee groups. Like ASDA, the UK grocery store that's a subsidiary of Walmart, has a group that organises days out for gay employees and makes a showing at a few pride parades.


As does mine. However the official policies of a company are a far cry from the reality of it's internal workings...
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PopTart » 22 February 2018, 11:10

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mxguy01 wrote:WRT another aspect of this, compared to women's rights and minority rights, do you feel LGBT is discriminated against employment opportunity wise? While for the company I work for is rather progressive, it is large, and hence full of people not exactly accepting of LGBT. Hence I feel this possibly translates to gays being a bit economically disadvantaged? Sure, you can point out individuals of celebrities and such, but as a whole, I wonder...

A lot of big companies here have LGBT employee groups. Like ASDA, the UK grocery store that's a subsidiary of Walmart, has a group that organises days out for gay employees and makes a showing at a few pride parades.

John Lewis had that too and was until recently run by an openly gay man (Andy Street, now conservative mp for the midlands, I think) and a large number of gay men and women worked in all areas of the business, from upper management to the shop floor.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 22 February 2018, 14:21

mxguy01 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:WRT another aspect of this, compared to women's rights and minority rights, do you feel LGBT is discriminated against employment opportunity wise? While for the company I work for is rather progressive, it is large, and hence full of people not exactly accepting of LGBT. Hence I feel this possibly translates to gays being a bit economically disadvantaged? Sure, you can point out individuals of celebrities and such, but as a whole, I wonder...

A lot of big companies here have LGBT employee groups. Like ASDA, the UK grocery store that's a subsidiary of Walmart, has a group that organises days out for gay employees and makes a showing at a few pride parades.

As does mine. However the official policies of a company are a far cry from the reality of it's internal workings...

The feelings expressed by many in this thread presumably apply to all places in society, including the workplace.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PopTart » 23 February 2018, 00:08

mxguy01 wrote:As does mine. However the official policies of a company are a far cry from the reality of it's internal workings...

I dunno, I really don't think people in the UK give a shit who anybody else is sleeping with these days :D Even companies champion the inclusiveness and it's not just a show most of the time here, gay employees tend to get involved and make what might otherwise be a token display of inclusion, into something more real. Don't know how it is in the states or any other country, but I don't feel I'd have to hide my sexuality in any workplace, no matter how traditionally masculine or heterosexual. Hell, sometimes it's those places, where the guys are most supportive, it still surprises me how many straight men love to flirt with a gay guy, they get to have a laugh, say inappropriate things and not have to worry about someone running to the managers and pointing the finger of accusation about the evils of the male patriarchy and thier lewd and licentious ways :lol:

Hey, thats fine girls, you keep pushing your men away, making them fee bad about themselves at every turn, me and mine are waiting in the wings with open arms and warm beds to comfort them! There there, big virile, red blooded man, don't listen to the evil over-womb, your not stupid or a raving sexual predator, just because you have a tackle between your legs. Speaking of which.... :devil:

Sorry, tangent. It's late, I'm tired.

Back OT, Sure, you get some guys who are clearly out of their comfort zone, but I just talk to them incessantly until they get more comfortable. It works quite well.

That said, I live in the south, so, maybe things are different elsewhere in the country.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 23 February 2018, 10:26

PopTart wrote:Don't know how it is in the states or any other country, but I don't feel I'd have to hide my sexuality in any workplace, no matter how traditionally masculine or heterosexual.

In most states in America, there are no legal protections against discrimination. You can lose your job, your housing, everything on a homophobic whim. So it's like walking on eggshells, especially if you're not in a liberal area.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Jacketh » 23 February 2018, 11:20

Sport is probably a big one, especially football - but I wouldn't say that is a UK exclusive problem given that there is no openly gay footballer in any of the major leagues in Europe. The fact a few have come out soon after retirement does show that gay guys do get into football and exist, and there have been many reports like this this. Statistically speaking, even if gay guys are less inclined to get into sport for whatever reason, you'd still expect there to be an openly gay footballer over the course of the last 20 years considering we're talking about tens of thousands of men.

I imagine there is still quite a bit of homophobia in schools from the ages of 11-15ish too. I've no doubt it has probably got better, but I came out in 2012 (which is around when it felt like the tide was turning - gay marriage was legalised in 2013 IIRC, and there was just a lot of noise being made in general), and I was only openly gay person in my school of 500. Because of the overwhelming support I received on my coming out Facebook status (which, I don't regret doing given the context of it feeling like a "big deal" at the time and, like I said, it felt like a different time with a lot of noises being made), I received no homophobia directed towards me over the course of two years, from Year 10 and Year 11. Then when I moved school to a new sixth form, again - no homophobia directed towards me. I did hear of some twats saying something to other people that got back to me, but eh. But back to my point - there was definitely a lot of homophobia, particularly casual homophobia, from the ages of 11-15, mainly with guys. I cut myself off from my guy friends before I came out, largely because they were knobs, but because I knew they wouldn't be comfortable with it. All my friends became girls, not because I'm anything close to feminine and drawn to girls, but because I think guys just didn't want to get "too close". After moving to a new sixth form to a school that performed a lot better and the catchment area was very affluent, my new friendship group was all guys and they quite enjoyed the fact I was gay if anything, constantly asking questions and seemed too curious for their own good :D But it relaxed me and made me a lot more comfortable within myself when I found a group of straight guys who would happy sleep in the same bed as me and not give a shit - because I was worried about that at my previous school.

It seems a bit snobbish to say, but I imagine there is a lot more homophobia and its more difficult for younger gay guys in certain state schools that tend to be very working class, which comes back to football - the most working class sport there is in this country and most other countries, and obviously there is a problem with getting at least one high profile player to come out. I can imagine there are a lot of 11, 12, 13, year old guys in this country who start questioning their sexuality or acknowledging the fact they might be gay, but struggle to tell their other guy friends out of fear of "what might happen?", or "will it be awkward in the changing rooms?".
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby Brenden » 23 February 2018, 11:24

I always find it really funny that football is so working class in most of the world but in America it's incredibly middle class: 'soccer moms' and such.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 23 February 2018, 21:35

Brenden wrote:I always find it really funny that football is so working class in most of the world but in America it's incredibly middle class: 'soccer moms' and such.

That hasn’t really changed the trashiness of the people who typically play it, though. I don’t know what it is about contact sports and quasi-contact sports, but it’s typically filled with brutish idiots. They’re rapists, they’re murders—some, I assume, are decent people.
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Re: What are the main issues faced by gay be in the UK today?

Unread postby PopTart » 24 February 2018, 16:49

Jacketh wrote:I imagine there is a lot more homophobia and its more difficult for younger gay guys in certain state schools that tend to be very working class.

I have to say, that I come from a working class background and I went to state run school. I came out at school, back in '96 maybe '97 as did several other people, guys and girls. We even had an after school, gay group, where we went to chat about our days and such. Honestly, we got some shit,but mostly, it was verbal stuff, from the same people who gave verbal shit to just about anyone who was on the outs with the popular crowd. I suspect that had it not been about our being gay, it would have been about, well, just about anything else. Thats young people in general, I suspect and I don't think that, from my experience, gay people get it any worse than anyone else at school, we just have a special something to make us eligible for abuse or bullying, because bullies just look for an excuse.

I admit that times have changed and the manner in which such people can extend their abuse into the private lives of young gay people, thanks to modern technology, may be indicative of cirumstances having changed in the years since my experience.

But I do feel it is all too easy to look to state run schools and working class backgrounds and make an empathic leap, that such means, less informed, narrower world views and "tradtitional" value systems, ergo, homophobia abounds, but honestly, that wasn't my experience.
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