Which of these two narratives do you think explains Trump's rise?

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Re: Which of these two narratives do you think explains Trump's rise?

Unread postby bluesunstorm » 17 October 2019, 20:46

NvM wrote:trump was not elected by the popular vote.
US elections are decided by only a few percentage points. Who says your vote dosnt count

Your vote only makes a difference in presidential elections if your state is remotely competitive, which isn't the vast majority of states, but that shouldn't let people be dissuaded from voting in state and local matters.
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Re: Which of these two narratives do you think explains Trump's rise?

Unread postby bluesunstorm » 17 October 2019, 20:50

NvM wrote:Obama Care turned some voters republican.
US elections are typically called on only a few percentage points.

Did it really though? Many people really like the Medicaid expansion, not being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and being able to stay on their parents' insurance until 26.

Fiscal conservatives were already Republican. Yeah, Democrats were soundly defeated in the 2010 and 2014 mid-terms, but that's typical for the party with current executive power.
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Re: Which of these two narratives do you think explains Trump's rise?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 17 October 2019, 22:16

bluesunstorm wrote:
NvM wrote:Obama Care turned some voters republican.
US elections are typically called on only a few percentage points.

Did it really though? Many people really like the Medicaid expansion, not being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and being able to stay on their parents' insurance until 26.

Fiscal conservatives were already Republican. Yeah, Democrats were soundly defeated in the 2010 and 2014 mid-terms, but that's typical for the party with current executive power.


Yep, even us fiscal conservative, moderately confused people, lol. I think many recognize that medical costs are crippling this country as in it's citizens. Funny how many have lost sight of "this country" is it's citizens. So you have a) morally it is the right thing to do, and b) icing on the cake it will be way better for the future of this country fiscally as well.

Honestly, I'd have Bernie in office right now. I'd hope he'd pick a strong VP as they may well be needed to finish his term in the event of something unfortunate. As in Bernie and Warren. But the american population is too gullible for the most part so - I see one of two outcomes. Biden who will likely accomplish nothing, or b) Trump and continued insanity praying we survive until he is out. In other words pretty much the same shit choices we had last time around.

I don't know if Bernie can accomplish the medical for all but I'd like to see someone try at least. I also agree with the re-distribution of wealth. Actually taxes (as in inheritance tax) take care of that a bit except too many ways around it for the wealthy. Plus, it has been past history that people of such vast wealth have in the end done the right thing by not simply leaving it to hiers but rather for good causes. Still, wealth to that magnitude should be re-absorbed so to speak quicker. I just don't see that being accomplished to a great extent anytime soon. Better he concentrate on health care.
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Re: Which of these two narratives do you think explains Trump's rise?

Unread postby Eryx » 18 October 2019, 03:02

bluesunstorm wrote:
NvM wrote:trump was not elected by the popular vote.
US elections are decided by only a few percentage points. Who says your vote dosnt count
Your vote only makes a difference in presidential elections if your state is remotely competitive, which isn't the vast majority of states, but that shouldn't let people be dissuaded from voting in state and local matters.
That's a bit contradictory.
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