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Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Gay-paul » 20 November 2018, 06:34

Why is the American system of legislation so harsh in relation to minors?

Why is the American system of legislation so harsh in relation to minors? I think that our European legal systems are more sensible in this respect

Hello my name is PaweĊ‚, I come from Poland, I am interested in the law, I once wanted to study law to become a lawyer, because it is a very paid job in almost every latitude. I like to watch programs devoted to forensics and law as such

I have always wondered why the American legal system treats children as much as adults. I mean that from what I know, Americans can only drink alcohol in their country from the age of 21, a little high, but they penalize not only the sale of alcohol below this age, they also penalize alcohol consumption by such a person and treat such a person alcohol. If we recognize that a minor is under 21 or under 18, as it is in my country and the rest of the European Union, it is de facto too stupid to make independent decisions, it should also be less, and if so it should be only on the side of a person who sold alcohol or tobacco products to a minor!
The same applies to sexual life in my country, the age of acquiescence is 15 years, in my opinion, it is too low, it should be 18 years and at least 17, in my country it is 15 years, but there is an exception for minors themselves, if two people under 15 are very unwise (if they are not gay or lesbian, such a small joke xD) or one person is above and the other is slightly under 15 then you or the judge will not break the kid's head! But the American system of legislation equates such a person with a paedophile, where there is a whore of is the fucking logic I am asking !? xD, Of course, everyone will agree that paedophiles must be eradicated from the face of the Earth!
I think that our European approach is more common sense than Americans, although I personally appreciate the American nation!
And that USA and Russia helped us defeat Nazi Germany!
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby jdjeando » 30 November 2018, 15:39

In France the age of consent is 15. It used to be 11 then 13 in the 19tu century.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby PopTart » 30 November 2018, 16:03

Swings and roundabouts, the Americans mght have to be older to drink, but they can drive at a younger age the we brits can. :shrug:

My biggest issue with the American style of legal system, is the extent to which it is televised and publicated. I think it opens up the possibility for juries to be influenced by the court of public opinion and someone found innocent, might still be convicted in the eyes of the public, regardless.

I prefer our own system in this regard. No tv crews or cameras in the court. Seems fairer.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Gay-paul » 30 November 2018, 19:13

PopTart wrote:Swings and roundabouts, the Americans mght have to be older to drink, but they can drive at a younger age the we brits can. :shrug:

My biggest issue with the American style of legal system, is the extent to which it is televised and publicated. I think it opens up the possibility for juries to be influenced by the court of public opinion and someone found innocent, might still be convicted in the eyes of the public, regardless.

I prefer our own system in this regard. No tv crews or cameras in the court. Seems fairer.


In our Polish legal system is similar, the accused in court is presented only by name and surname initial, complete data of the convicted person can be presented only after conviction and only if the court agrees to do so and writes in the sentencing judgment that it can be made public data are condemned, which our courts do very rarely, only if there is an important public interest, only if someone committed a very serious crime, was a pedophile, a violator or a co-worker of former communist secret police, etc.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Jryski » 6 May 2019, 11:47

First off, when it comes to the topic of sex with an underage kid, the kid is seen as a victim and does not get penalized. Underage drinking is only enforced when theyre caught blatantly. The punishments are pretty relaxed so usually they get sent home with a warning or couple nights in juvenile detention center just to scare them. Kids who are punished heavily usually commited a very heavy crime such as rape or murder. Other than that, they're usually portrayed as an victim.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Jryski » 6 May 2019, 11:48

First off, when it comes to the topic of sex with an underage kid, the kid is seen as a victim and does not get penalized. Underage drinking is only enforced when theyre caught blatantly. The punishments are pretty relaxed so usually they get sent home with a warning or couple nights in juvenile detention center just to scare them. Kids who are punished heavily usually commited a very heavy crime such as rape or murder. Other than that, they're usually portrayed as an victim.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Koftruecross » 28 May 2019, 18:59

The politician from Australia said it the best. He said America got all the Puritans and Australia got all the convicts. The only thing I find crazy here in the U.S. is THE BLUE LAWS. They call them blue because they used to be printed on blue paper and posted in the village squares. That is there are DRY AREAS where the sale of alcohol is prohibited. In 1932 when Prohibition was lifted there were areas that wanted to stay dry. Of course today you are allowed to drive to the WET area and buy your booze and bring it back into the DRY area and drink it in your home. However you are strictly forbidden to walk down the public side walk while drinking. If you buy whiskey you can only buy it in a state store and when you leave the store the bottle MUST BE COVERED IN A BROWN BAG. And there are many areas that allow alcohol to be sold on any day of the week EXCEPT ON THE SABBATH DAY. In those areas it is illegal to sell alcohol on Sunday when people go to church. But that's just Appalachia.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Koftruecross » 28 May 2019, 19:24

Then there are areas where it is legal to sell beer and wine but not whiskey or scotch, or higher level of alcohol beverages. And single serving sales outside of a bar are illegal. If you go to a convenience store you cannot buy just one can of beer.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Iamjava » 28 May 2019, 21:10

im trying to avoid this forum but this topic seems to make one my points exactly on why politics are futile.

the reason? the individuals in power are hell bent on maintaining that power even to the point of hypocracy and, more often, to the point of ignoring rationale and science.

for example, we begin to experience sexual feelings around the age of 12, yet in most states you may not recieve or purchase birth control or porn until the age of 18 under penalty of law. further, minors are also being prosecuted for child porn (ie their partners) and sexual assault/battery (again, even with a consenting sexual peer).[its easy to find these stories accross the net]

this is where hypocracy comes into play. either a child is a child and doesnt fully comprehend right from wrong and should not be treated as an adult, or they have the comprehension. it can not be both.

and alas we come down to the point of maintaining power. politicians refuse to be seen as weak and therefore must be tough on all crime to appease the justice-seeking voters. i suppose overprotective parents dont help. finaly criminal punishments are currently the only way our illustrious government knows to use in the prevention of unwanted behaviors.

satisfied? :)
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Koftruecross » 29 May 2019, 00:35

Where I live The sheriff has the custom of parading the jail inmates in front of the court house. They are dressed in bright orange jump suits and their hands are chained together. And each of the prisoners are connected by chains. They call it The Walk of Shame. I don't like it because I don't think their punishment should serve as entertainment for the public. This is Trump Country.
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Re: Why is the American system of legislation so harsh to minors?

Unread postby Iamjava » 29 May 2019, 01:47

Koftruecross wrote:Where I live The sheriff has the custom of parading the jail inmates in front of the court house. They are dressed in bright orange jump suits and their hands are chained together. And each of the prisoners are connected by chains. They call it The Walk of Shame. I don't like it because I don't think their punishment should serve as entertainment for the public. This is Trump Country.


who the hell is that? apario? (i think thats his name.) the courts already banned public shaming because its a digrace.. sad enough, theres too much law enforcement that believe theyre above the law.

rant done. me exit stage left.
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