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Unread postby LoveLiveLove » 20 October 2020, 18:35

Has always been a dream if mine to be a woman, I am in live with a straight man and would go after him 100%, I have had these feelings as long as I remember and unfortunately growing up when I did admitting it would have caused a lot of heartache, I went through hell the few times I got caught in my sister's clothes. I was fortunate enough to be seduced or molested by one of my sisters boyfriends and he put me in heaven twice. He was 17 I was 13 and it was incredible!
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Unread postby mtntea93 » 21 October 2020, 05:55

Yes and no. Have I dreamed or thought really hard about being a woman? Yes! In fact I adore women and I believe I’d make a great one! However my struggle has never been with my assigned gender, but with my sexuality as a gay man. I grew up in a very conservative Appalachian Pentecostal family... it would have just been easier to be a straight man or woman!
The important thing is, I don’t struggle with being gay anymore. I am out and proud and in love ;) wouldn’t change a thing me, myself, and I! I for one can recognize in myself that I am more confident with my masculinity now that I am out of the closet, it’s a wonderful feeling!!!
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Unread postby René » 21 October 2020, 09:20

LoveLiveLove wrote:I was fortunate enough to be seduced or molested by one of my sisters boyfriends and he put me in heaven twice. He was 17 I was 13 and it was incredible!

That's... problematic.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby edj » 21 October 2020, 18:32

Nope. If anything, I’d want a pill to make me more masculine, cuz the thought of two hyper masculine men getting it on ... oooh yeah!
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby Jryski » 21 October 2020, 18:34

Not into that hyper “masculine” type. Not into aggro and controlling dudes.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby René » 21 October 2020, 18:45

Jryski wrote:Not into that hyper “masculine” type. Not into aggro and controlling dudes.

Something tells me that's not what he had in mind. It seems sad that you automatically associate masculinity with such attributes. :(
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 October 2020, 18:52

René wrote:
Jryski wrote:Not into that hyper “masculine” type. Not into aggro and controlling dudes.

Something tells me that's not what he had in mind. It seems sad that you automatically associate masculinity with such attributes. :(

I kinda read it that way too. The hypermasculine part, I feel, implies some aggression, territorialesque behaviour, dominance. All that stuff ample testosterone can provide.
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Unread postby René » 21 October 2020, 19:02

PopTart wrote:
René wrote:
Jryski wrote:Not into that hyper “masculine” type. Not into aggro and controlling dudes.

Something tells me that's not what he had in mind. It seems sad that you automatically associate masculinity with such attributes. :(

I kinda read it that way too. The hypermasculine part, I feel, implies some aggression, territorialesque behaviour, dominance. All that stuff ample testosterone can provide.

I was thinking more in terms of typical male secondary sex characteristics like body/facial hair, broad shoulders and high strength / muscle mass. (Stuff ample (dihydro)testosterone can provide that it is more likely to do in non-steroid-abuse scenarios.)
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Unread postby Jryski » 21 October 2020, 21:50

Isn’t hypermasculinity a psychological term? He already grows more stache than my dad and I combined. For him to want to take more testosterone, I’m pretty sure he meant it the way his post read.
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Unread postby René » 21 October 2020, 21:53

Jryski wrote:Isn’t hypermasculinity a psychological term? He already grows more stache than my dad and I combined. For him to want to take more testosterone, I’m pretty sure he meant it the way his post read.

Who said anything about taking testosterone? :runaway:
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Unread postby Jryski » 21 October 2020, 21:57

René wrote:
PopTart wrote:
René wrote:
Jryski wrote:Not into that hyper “masculine” type. Not into aggro and controlling dudes.

Something tells me that's not what he had in mind. It seems sad that you automatically associate masculinity with such attributes. :(

I kinda read it that way too. The hypermasculine part, I feel, implies some aggression, territorialesque behaviour, dominance. All that stuff ample testosterone can provide.

I was thinking more in terms of typical male secondary sex characteristics like body/facial hair, broad shoulders and high strength / muscle mass. (Stuff ample (dihydro)testosterone can provide that it is more likely to do in non-steroid-abuse scenarios.)

Oh come on Rene, you know me. As a guy that likes guys, I think it would be kinda silly for me to hate masculinity. I don’t associate masculinity with such attributes that I had mentioned; however, I do associate hyper-masculinity and an overabundance of testosterone with said attributes.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby Jryski » 21 October 2020, 22:01

René wrote:
Jryski wrote:Isn’t hypermasculinity a psychological term? He already grows more stache than my dad and I combined. For him to want to take more testosterone, I’m pretty sure he meant it the way his post read.

Who said anything about taking testosterone? :runaway:

A pill that makes you more masculine to the point where you become hyper masculine? Hyper masculinity is associated with insecurities and over abundance of testosterone.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby edj » 21 October 2020, 22:20

@Jryski I think you're confusing hyper and toxic?

@René Yeppers. You got me pegged. Bear chaser here.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby René » 21 October 2020, 22:21

Jryski wrote:
René wrote:
PopTart wrote:
René wrote:
Jryski wrote:Not into that hyper “masculine” type. Not into aggro and controlling dudes.

Something tells me that's not what he had in mind. It seems sad that you automatically associate masculinity with such attributes. :(

I kinda read it that way too. The hypermasculine part, I feel, implies some aggression, territorialesque behaviour, dominance. All that stuff ample testosterone can provide.

I was thinking more in terms of typical male secondary sex characteristics like body/facial hair, broad shoulders and high strength / muscle mass. (Stuff ample (dihydro)testosterone can provide that it is more likely to do in non-steroid-abuse scenarios.)

Oh come on Rene, you know me. As a guy that likes guys, I think it would be kinda silly for me to hate masculinity. I don’t associate masculinity with such attributes that I had mentioned; however, I do associate hyper-masculinity and an overabundance of testosterone with said attributes.

It sure seemed to me like edj meant "hypermasculine" in a positive/desirable sense (likely physical characteristics he finds attractive), not any kind of specialised psychological meaning with a negative connotation. :D

Exogenous anabolic-androgenic steroids also shrink your balls, blunt endogenous testosterone production and cause other side effects. Not very masculine and definitely not desirable. The "pill" mentioned is obviously a fantasy.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby edj » 21 October 2020, 22:26

René wrote:It sure seemed to me like edj meant "hypermasculine" in a positive/desirable sense (likely physical characteristics he finds attractive), not any kind of specialised psychological meaning with a negative connotation. :D


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Unread postby edj » 21 October 2020, 22:34

Jryski wrote:Isn’t hypermasculinity a psychological term? He already grows more stache than my dad and I combined. For him to want to take more testosterone, I’m pretty sure he meant it the way his post read.


Interesting. I've never thought of myself as particularly masculine. Do you really consider that wisp on my lip a stache? Well, thank you.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby Jryski » 21 October 2020, 22:57

There’s a desirable sense of the word hypermasculine?
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby Derek » 21 October 2020, 23:06

Jryski wrote:There’s a desirable sense of the word hypermasculine?

I mean it sounds kinda hot to me.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby René » 21 October 2020, 23:09

Jryski wrote:There’s a desirable sense of the word hypermasculine?

Hairy, muscular, that kind of thing. Perhaps not the word I'd use, but I can totally imagine someone using it in that way.
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Re: Gay men - if you could, would you be a woman instead?

Unread postby Jryski » 21 October 2020, 23:10

edj wrote:
Jryski wrote:Isn’t hypermasculinity a psychological term? He already grows more stache than my dad and I combined. For him to want to take more testosterone, I’m pretty sure he meant it the way his post read.


Interesting. I've never thought of myself as particularly masculine. Do you really consider that wisp on my lip a stache? Well, thank you.

Well whatever it is, it looks great! I can’t grow one so other people’s facial hair always fascinated me.
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