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Re: COVID Jab

Unread postPosted: 15 September 2021, 11:38
by PopTart
Brenden wrote:
Derek wrote:
Brenden wrote:This is exactly why Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" remark was basically the death knell of her presidential aspirations.

I wonder why this only works one-way.

It doesn’t. Look at Mitt Romney.

It just tends to be that that side is more savvy and sneaky and can often hide that they’re working for the wealthy/elites behind well-crafted rhetoric that resonates with their base and the middle.
Exactly so. The left struggles so much, precisely because it claims to hold the moral high ground in this regard. Hence why it's so odorous when they come out with blatantly derogatory rhetoric.

The other side, is more practiced at subtlety (out of necessity) and at not having to defend a presumed position of moral superiority. One that, when they inevitably fail to live upto, the failure paints them as hypocrites that turns off those that might other wise be swayed.

Re: COVID Jab

Unread postPosted: 15 September 2021, 13:07
by Derek
Brenden wrote:It doesn’t. Look at Mitt Romney.

Is there a more recent, giant, glaring counterexample you can think of?

Re: COVID Jab

Unread postPosted: 15 September 2021, 20:29
by pozzie
PopTart wrote:It's like drugs. Who do you blame. The addict or the manufacturers and those pushing it?


In such a situation, I believe there is plenty of blame to be parceled out though I'd prefer to use a different example: the lending crisis that set up the Great Recession. While I would partition out less blame to those who took out the loans, mostly because financial literacy is often non-existent in the 'lower' classes AND so many lenders were predentary AND government/regulatory bodies were only willing to look askance as long as there were money to be made (and jobs to be had), etc. - well, I hope you get the idea and it just seems like an all-around cluster fuck.

What bugs me is the smug people talking from a position of privilege about who "those people should have known better - they should have known that a 110% mortgage with a 5-year balloon payment was a recipe for disaster, especially at 12%!" Sure, granted, if they know what each of those terms means and of that I'm honestly not convinced. There are people too many who don't understand the different between mortgage and rental in this day and age.

So back to social media, the parallel seems to hold - "you work hard, you deserve what you need and we're here to give you easy credit." Yes, especially those who know how this stuff works should be able to push back and say, "No, actually, I don't need ..." But I still know people who can't say no to social media and I constantly have to move out of their way on the sidewalk because they are focused on their phone while walking.

Maybe social media is more like cigarettes - I need a cigarette!.NOT

But this definitely feels like a hijack of this thread, so maybe we need (to find) a social media thread or at least let's get back to big tech's contribution to all forms of Covid-related hysteria.

Re: COVID Jab

Unread postPosted: 15 September 2021, 20:30
by pozzie
Derek wrote:
Brenden wrote:It doesn’t. Look at Mitt Romney.

Is there a more recent, giant, glaring counterexample you can think of?


of what? "basket of deplorables"?

Re: COVID Jab

Unread postPosted: 17 September 2021, 04:34
by Sullivan
Brenden wrote:This is exactly why Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" remark was basically the death knell of her presidential aspirations.

Giving the world that line is like the one good thing Clinton ever did. I still savor it.

Re: COVID Jab

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2021, 18:38
by pozzie
Thought I'd share this interesting, thoughtful letter to the editor (that someone other than me wrote)

Some people think I’m a Republican because I fly the U.S. flag on our front porch. There’s a lot of unfounded prejudice going on today and this is a good example. I don’t believe in political platforms, but I find it interesting that people don’t realize you can be patriotic and not be ultra-conservative.

Likewise, I don’t see why I can’t be of the opinion to not want a vaccine, but somehow, I’m still part of the problem? I have an educated opinion of Big-Pharma companies, but I also respect my fellow man and the disease. When I’m in public, I wear my mask when social distancing can’t be accomplished.

The extreme thinking on either side of current political and social issues doesn’t solve any problems. Many people are too headstrong, too judgmental and can’t look at themselves first to be part of the solution.

So don’t tell me I “have to” get the vaccine. Don’t tell me I’m part of the problem when I have a normal life where I’m not hurting anyone. I work successfully from home and follow protocol when I’m out in public.

Just like the abortion issue, no one in government or business should tell me what I “have to do” with my body. It’s my personal right what I put into my body and all the guilt and bullying you force upon me, won’t change my mind.