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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2020, 13:08
by Severelius
If the Senate GOP manage to force through a confirmation in the like 40-odd days left before the election... I mean, America had a pretty good run, right?

244 years isn't bad. I'm sure the rest of the world can get on perfectly fine without them as they collapse inwards in another generation of demented nationalism and regressive bullshit.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2020, 15:08
by Derek
They have until January, and they're definitely going to do it. The only play democrats have is to threaten to enlarge the bench in retaliation. But what are the odds that Biden has anywhere near the balls?

I don't think the country is any more over than it already was. The Supreme Court wasn't doing a great job in the first place.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2020, 17:13
by poolerboy0077
Maybe we should let the drug cartel mercenaries in to solve our problem. Blue state governors should make it a referendum.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2020, 17:44
by Derek
I'm convinced that whiteness itself is the problem and we must allow the Mexican hordes to ravish our women and dilute our inherent evil.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2020, 20:16
by poolerboy0077
So is that the reason you’ve turned into a progressive? You let Hispanics into your butthole?

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 19 September 2020, 20:57
by Severelius
I feel like I'd be hard-pressed to NOT vote for a candidate that pledged "more interracial sex for everyone" to be honest.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 02:53
by Jzone
Maybe upskirt shots of the Supreme Court justices would keep them in line. Not that I want to see that...

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 03:22
by Jzone
This will be an interesting few months, as if the preceding months of 2020 were pedestrian. RBG was a force to contend with, no doubt. As awesome as she was, I would prefer the US Supreme Court had term limits.

Abstention from presidential elections is the worst form of narcissism.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 04:09
by Derek
Jzone wrote:Abstention from presidential elections is the worst form of narcissism.

That's the boomerest hot take I've read in a while.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 04:31
by Jzone
Derek wrote:That's the boomerest hot take I've read in a while.

You're welcome

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 05:40
by Derek
Okay, fine, I'll elaborate, because it genuinely annoyed me. Responding to a thread in which Brenden, René and I have explained our legitimate reasons for our ambivalence about this election, and ignoring it in favor of making a bizarre, absolutist claim about the inherent morality of symbolically participating in a broken system. It's not just psychotically boomer, it's emblematic of the entire braindead liberal worldview that has led us to this point. The actual worst form of narcissism is when, like, Roman emperors burned slaves alive, but reveling in your own self-satisfaction for doing and perceiving nothing of consequence is up there.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 05:48
by Jzone
Ouch. I accept that. You can have your ambivalence, and I'll raise you your future. There is nothing symbolic here. The system is broken, there is no doubt. If you don't have an alternative ready to replace it, we will all suffer while Rome burns.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 06:03
by Derek
America did not end in 2016 and it won't be saved in 2020. Trump is not an aberration, he's one step in a process in which the entire country was been complicit, and right-wing Democrats like Biden most especially.

I am honestly undecided - not because because I'm unsure if America should be saved, but because when I consider what strategy progressives should pursue within the minuscule margins of our influence, none seems more viable than the others.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 06:19
by Jzone
America did not end in 2016, but I hope you see that it has come closer in the four years since. It most certainly will not be saved in 2020.

We cannot blame Democrats any more than Republicans for where we are now. The extremes would be ridiculous if they were not so frightening. We can play in the sandbox of idealism and vote for hopeless candidates. Or we can deal with reality and nudge the status quo a little in a better direction.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 15:31
by Derek
"Nudging" the status quo is what we've been doing for generations and it landed us here. I'll say it a fourth time. Biden isn't a step in the right direction, he's a smaller step in the wrong direction. Every time a democrat wins, they cede ground, give up fights, and legitimize the institutional rot. They are responsible for Trump and they will be responsible for the next guy who's even worse. That's the long-term effect of "harm reduction". For the love of God, consider that this is bigger than just a four year term.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 17:14
by poolerboy0077
If Trump wins a second term, what’s the likelihood that the left will have a come to Jesus moment and select the next Bernie?

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 17:29
by Derek
About as likely as the democrats passing a single piece of substantial legislation even with a supermajority.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 18:01
by Jzone
The one word we hear the most related to Trump's administration is 'unprecedented.' I believe he and his influencers are a real threat to America: politically, morally, economically, environmentally... I could go on. He represents more than a continuing drift to the right, but a serious leap out of long established norms.

Now he gets to solidify a conservative Supreme Court, and possibly a loyal court. He has already hinted at desiring a third term, and I think that is more than just to get a rise out of his opponents and a cheer from his rally-goers.

I would like to believe that a second term for Trump would lead to a real progressive candidate in 2024, but I don't . Under Biden the rich will continue to get richer while the economic divide grows and the middle class shrinks. I still think that will be better than the lasting damage another term for Trump could cause.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 18:15
by Derek
Trump is unprecedented. So was Bush. So was Reagan. The next guy will be unprecedented too. There's a reason every election is the most important election of our lives, and it's because we're caught in a spiral. I don't think we can escape the spiral by voting for the people who created it, but I could be wrong.

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postPosted: 20 September 2020, 20:26
by Jzone
Reagan and the Bushes were not unprecedented. The steady drift to the right since Nixon and the rise of the neocons and oligarchs is one thing. Trump is off the charts in too many ways. I don't think we can escape the spiral by voting period, until there is a strong and bold alternative. Sanders is the closest I've seen, and hopefully he laid the groundwork for someone else. AOC? At least she is not an old white guy.