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Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 1 October 2021, 07:56
by glückspilz
Hey guys

We had to be patient for a long time, but now it's finally done. Switzerland opens marriage to homosexual couples and at the same time allows adoption and - for lesbian couples - access to reproductive medicine. Last Sunday in a referendum vote, the Swiss said YES to the bill with over 61%. After more than 20 years of struggle for legal recognition, this great goal has now been achieved. I am very happy about it!

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 1 October 2021, 17:07
by Eryx
That was really impressive and fantastic, even if a bit late! What were the reasons for the delay and how have the Swiss felt about the LGBT for the past two decades?

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 1 October 2021, 21:34
by McTaggartfan
Eh. Whatever.

What's much more impressive and wonderful is how assisted suicide is legal in Switzerland even for people who simply want to die as a result of poor mental health.

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 2 October 2021, 10:06
by glückspilz
Eryx wrote:What were the reasons for the delay and how have the Swiss felt about the LGBT for the past two decades?


The main reason is the slowness of the political system in Switzerland. In 2002 the government passed the message on the Partnership Act (Law on Registration of Same-Sex Partnerships). At that time one wanted to give these couples extensive rights without affecting the traditional marriage between men and women. Adoption was not yet socially accepted either. It was banned under the Partnership Act.

The people could vote on the partnership law in 2005. It was adopted by 57% and entered into force in early 2007. This seemed to have satisfied the needs of LGBTs for the time being.

The question of adoption soon came back on the table. In other places, too, the partnership law did not ensure completely equal rights, which is why further steps were taken. In 2017, parliament approved the adoption of stepchildren for same-sex couples.

In 2018, politicians then dealt with the question of opening up marriage completely or only partially. An opening, even if only partially, was favored first.

At the same time, however, a conservative party launched an initiative, the main part of which was to eliminate tax disadvantages for married couples. Unfortunately, the initiative also provided for marriage to be enshrined in the constitution as the link between a man and a woman. If this initiative had been accepted, legal developments to open up marriage would have become obsolete.

So first we had to wait for the referendum on this initiative. It was rejected in 2016 with an extremely narrow 50.8%. In June 2018 it became known that the government had argued with inaccurate figures in the referendum campaign. The discrepancy in the number of couples affected was so high that the federal court annulled the vote in 2019. The initiators could then have put their concerns to the vote again. In the meantime, however, the opinion has become established in society that marriage should be open to all couples. A majority in said conservative party therefore feared damage to their image if the principle of the connection between man and woman were adhered to. Especially since the main concern was to eliminate tax disadvantages. The party therefore withdrew the initiative.

This cleared the way in parliament to push ahead with the opening up of marriage. The LGBT community and the advocates of marriage for all now saw their concerns strengthened and campaigned for Parliament to initiate a full opening in the way.

In short: the political system of direct democracy with all its referendums makes everything very slow. At the same time, Switzerland has always been a conservative country when it comes to social issues. Changes here usually take a lot of time.

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 2 October 2021, 10:16
by PopTart
One might argue, it's decisions have been well considered.

I still think direct democracy is a great system.

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 2 October 2021, 11:20
by Cali Ed
Cool, now I can get hitched at Roger Federer's luxury ski chalet and use leftovers from the reception's fondue fountain (cheese or chocolate, you decide) for lube during the honeymoon orgy. It's a sodomy train every time the cuckoo clock sounds.

I don't understand the desire for monogamy — much less marriage — for heterosexuals or homosexuals alike, but it should be open to all either way. It's weird it's taken Switzerland of all places so long to get there. I'm glad they're no longer neutral on gay rights.

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 2 October 2021, 14:45
by glückspilz
PopTart wrote:I still think direct democracy is a great system.


Absolutely. And chances are very high that political decisions once taken this way are not reversed by a future government.

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 2 October 2021, 14:47
by glückspilz
Cali Ed wrote:It's weird it's taken Switzerland of all places so long to get there.


Considering the political way as described above it's actually not so weird.

Re: Marriage for all in Switzerland. Finally!

Unread postPosted: 3 October 2021, 15:44
by Mr_Understood
Switzerland, eh? So the winning vote was "Pshh... whatever"?