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Derek wrote:I hope he does win the nomination. Trump winning a second term will melt whatever remains of the minds of the democratic party.

Sullivan wrote:

bluesunstorm wrote:Yeah, I don't think I'll be voting for president next year. I've been a Democrat since a teenager but I don't really think the party is for me anymore. I don't think any of them would beat Trump anyway.

What changes within the party do you oppose?

I'm curious to know, since you're in a state where Democratic votes might actually matter.

bluesunstorm wrote:

Sullivan wrote:

bluesunstorm wrote:Yeah, I don't think I'll be voting for president next year. I've been a Democrat since a teenager but I don't really think the party is for me anymore. I don't think any of them would beat Trump anyway.

What changes within the party do you oppose?

I'm curious to know, since you're in a state where Democratic votes might actually matter.

Mostly the giving entitlements to illegals and being laissez-faire about illegal immigration in general. When I was younger, I'd be like "Oh, who can it hurt? They just want a better life", but then I realized it's not the best to have millions of low-skilled people coming into you're country and putting strain on the system. Most countries are tough on immigration, but for some reason it's taboo in America to be. A country has the right to enforce immigration policy, just because the situation in your own country sucks does not give you the right to immigrate into a better one.

I know it's not PC to say this, but I feel the illegal immigration situation has gotten completely out of control. I

Derek wrote:What makes you say the illegal immigration problem is out of control? Weren't rates of immigration much higher in the Bush years?

Personally, I like Latin immigrants. They're nice and I think we should have more of them.

bluesunstorm wrote:I'm pretty sure the rates are really high currently, maybe even the highest they've ever been and there are already 10+ million residing illegally.

erti wrote:Where exactly do you get your facts?

Derek wrote:Yes - my heart.

bluesunstorm wrote:

Derek wrote:What makes you say the illegal immigration problem is out of control? Weren't rates of immigration much higher in the Bush years?

Personally, I like Latin immigrants. They're nice and I think we should have more of them.

I'm pretty sure the rates are really high currently, maybe even the highest they've ever been and there are already 10+ million residing illegally. It's nothing against immigrants personally (the only people I've seen against legal immigration are on the far-right fringe), but it should be done legally and they should be properly vetted. There are valid safety concerns about illegal immigration, and how it affects things on a macro level like wages and healthcare costs. Not to mention, it's not surprising that many citizens wouldn't be in favor of undocumented people receiving entitlements that the citizens themselves don't even qualify for.

Derek wrote:

bluesunstorm wrote:I'm pretty sure the rates are really high currently, maybe even the highest they've ever been and there are already 10+ million residing illegally.

erti wrote:Where exactly do you get your facts?

Derek wrote:I don't understand why people have a problem with immigrants. They're nicer than Americans. They're less entitled and they have better work ethic. And if we didn't want them, maybe we should have thought of that before we supported coups/embargos in Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba, Nicaragua, and wherever else?

Derek wrote:I don't understand why people have a problem with immigrants. They're nicer than Americans. They're less entitled and they have better work ethic. And if we didn't want them, maybe we should have thought of that before we supported coups/embargos in Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba, Nicaragua, and wherever else?

bluesunstorm wrote:

Derek wrote:I don't understand why people have a problem with immigrants. They're nicer than Americans. They're less entitled and they have better work ethic. And if we didn't want them, maybe we should have thought of that before we supported coups/embargos in Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba, Nicaragua, and wherever else?

So, we should just open our borders right up and not enforce immigration policies? The average American didn't want coups or embargos in Latin America and they sure don't want to just disregard immigration policy now. Sorry, but it's not a great argument if all it is is "they're nicer than Americans". Most Americas aren't that entitled by and large (except maybe our generation), and work and pay taxes and never use entitlements like SNAP and Medicaid. It still doesn't address how illegal immigration affects culture and workings on a macro level either.

bluesunstorm wrote:So, we should just open our borders right up and not enforce immigration policies? The average American didn't want coups or embargos in Latin America and they sure don't want to just disregard immigration policy now. Sorry, but it's not a great argument if all it is is "they're nicer than Americans". Most Americas aren't that entitled by and large (except maybe our generation), and work and pay taxes and never use entitlements like SNAP and Medicaid. It still doesn't address how illegal immigration affects culture and workings on a macro level either.

erti wrote:Are you saying that people on SNAP and Medicaid are entitled? I'm on SSI and I get snap and Medicaid and Medicare. I don't think that makes me entitled. Sometimes people can't work. Sometimes people who DO work need Snap and Medicaid because their shitty job isn't enough to pay the bills and eat.

poolerboy0077 wrote:

bluesunstorm wrote:So, we should just open our borders right up and not enforce immigration policies? The average American didn't want coups or embargos in Latin America and they sure don't want to just disregard immigration policy now. Sorry, but it's not a great argument if all it is is "they're nicer than Americans". Most Americas aren't that entitled by and large (except maybe our generation), and work and pay taxes and never use entitlements like SNAP and Medicaid. It still doesn't address how illegal immigration affects culture and workings on a macro level either.

I'm starting to think you're getting your, erm, information from memes on FB.

erti wrote:Are you saying that people on SNAP and Medicaid are entitled? I'm on SSI and I get snap and Medicaid and Medicare. I don't think that makes me entitled. Sometimes people can't work. Sometimes people who DO work need Snap and Medicaid because their shitty job isn't enough to pay the bills and eat.

Psst...

entitlement - A Federal program or provision of law that requires payments to any person or unit of government that meets the eligibility criteria established by law. Entitlements constitute a binding obligation on the part of the Federal Government, and eligible recipients have legal recourse if the obligation is not fulfilled. Social Security and veterans' compensation and pensions are examples of entitlement programs.