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Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 11 July 2020, 18:26
by Derek
16 Years Later, How the Press That Sold the Iraq War Got Away With It

This is a good read. I think it underscores the importance of holding media figures accountable for their failures in moral judgment, because the narrative they peddle that they were simply wrong on the facts is woefully inadequate. The Iraq War was an especially egregious example of the media's widespread, wholesale complicity in facilitating disaster. Few people in this country ever bother learning about our history of foreign policy atrocities, and we let the "experts" get away with a mea culpa that makes no attempt at synthesizing that history with the barest pretense that imperialism is immoral.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 11 July 2020, 19:07
by Sullivan
I have a couple of Taibbi's books, which I thought were quite good. Is he Derek-certified free of neoliberal cuckiness?

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 11 July 2020, 19:39
by Derek
Yeah, he's okay. I don't want you talking to him unless I'm there though.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 11 July 2020, 22:58
by Magic J
Derek wrote:16 Years Later, How the Press That Sold the Iraq War Got Away With It

'Member when MI6's agent turned out to have ripped the chem weapon intel from a film? Then, upon realising this, failed to inform the government, who then subsequently went to war?

'Member?

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 16 July 2020, 10:31
by Valso
I stopped watching TV more than 20 years ago and both back then and now I don't trust any of our media cuz they're all properties of different political criminals and therefore everything they say is twisted.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 26 February 2021, 14:37
by Hypnotic
I quit watching mostly all TV news a few years ago due to the increasing partisan bias in the UK media. I don't even bother with print media anymore as it's all from the elite establishment perspective. My news is sourced mainly through RT, yes I know it's funded by the Russian government but it is actually fairly balanced. I quite enjoy several of their documentaries even Japan's NHK is pretty good. However I also like to watch several vloggers too like Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Steven Crowder and Sargon. These people really wind up those who lean far left. But really these guys are essentially Moderates who are classically Liberal with Cultural Conservative beliefs. They are often called cuckservatives by those who lean far right.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 00:15
by MJM
I read People's World, which is a far left labor web based newspaper. I watch the network news on TV with a raised eyebrow. I am to the point where I figure National politics and news doesn't really affect me much. I do stay up on events and happenings in the backwater little burg I live in though.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 00:49
by René
MJM wrote:I read People's World, which is a far left labor web based newspaper.

Is it common for people to refer to themselves / things they approve of as e.g. far-left, hard-left, far-right? My impression was that those words are usually used in a derogatory manner, to express that certain people, views, etc. are extreme/extremist.

I'm pretty socialist, but I wouldn't describe myself as far-left, because my view is that the stuff I believe in is (or certainly should be) pretty run-of-the-mill lefty stuff — as historically a lot of it has been, at least in the UK.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 01:09
by Derek
I don't particularly mind describing myself as far-left when in America anything short of hunting the homeless for sport qualifies.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 01:12
by Raynethemagi
When I was 16 was when I did extensive research on news stations, organzations, and such. I wanted to find a News Station that, while wasn't necessarily perfect, was the best one in terms of being as fair and accurate as possible. And, of course, many of them were very biased. You'd be surprised at how many News Stations out there that you can write off as opinion pieces. If it wasn't that, there were facts that were being distorted or stories that were purposefully omitting information just so people can fall for their inaccuracies.

I did research on this for a good year, because I really truly wanted to find a News Station that literally presented the facts and that from those facts one could draw their own conclusions.

After a good solid year and 3 months worth of research, I found one news station that had this unique ability. Now don't get me wrong, this station isn't perfect, in fact there are certain reporters that are questionable, but it was the only news station that when you researched the sources they cited, it fell perfectly in-line with what it is they cited. Their sources were also credible sources too, which was a big plus! While I don't agree with some of their news stories, for the most part they report the facts.

If you're interested in what station that is, you can private message me. I don't openly talk too much about politics unless I think something needs to be said. I always advocate to do your own research, and don't just listen to what I or what anyone says. You have a logical brain, so figure it out. Cause as we all know "a mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 13:33
by MJM
I fell into a trap. These categorizations of political leanings. In my case far left. This pigeon holing of people is standard operating procedure here in the USA. A persons thoughts and motives have to be scrutinized to determine if they are right or wrong. For myself, I do not hold with the demonization of people for political gain. I do not agree with the agenda and goals of the American big business politics. That makes me a leftist and therefore wrong and an enemy of the state. I like to think that my views are beneficial and show compassion to all. The obscenely wealthy 1% in the United States disagree with me.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 14:28
by betonhaus
I try to pull my news from several sources and aggregators just so I have an understanding of what is going on, from twitter to the Edge new tab page to even an obscure meme site where anything remotely interesting gets thumbed up (though it can get obsessed with trends like the Biden stairs thing). I'd say I'm likely more right-leaning, but I'm more at a point where the best stance is to not get emotionally attached to events that happen elsewhere - as you never know if important but undesirable/boring details have been omitted. Realistically I'm likely more neutral, but there seems to be a literal leftist cult that will harshly attack anything that doesn't agree with them so i find myself playing devil's advocate a lot.

If you pay attention to social media you can see a very worrying trend where extreme progressives are pushing and pushing for cultural aspects that are contradicting and unsustainable, and any attempt to pull back or attain a rational balance is vilified. I'm pretty certain that if this trend continues there will be a point where the people just "snap" and go far right. t has happened before to disastrous results.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 14:37
by Marmaduke
Read both sides of the argument, form your own opinion. Don’t seek out a news outlet based on their bias, thinking it’s better to read what fits your outlook.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 14:42
by Brenden
Marmaduke wrote:Read both sides of the argument, form your own opinion.

And that’s how we got to where we are now on so many important issues such as climate change and public health. People forming their opinions not from facts but from other people’s equally-presented rhetoric.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 14:48
by Marmaduke
Brenden wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:Read both sides of the argument, form your own opinion.

And that’s how we got to where we are now on so many important issues such as climate change and public health. People forming their opinions not from facts but from other people’s equally-presented rhetoric.

That’s a result of people crowdsourcing their news from social media, not taking the time to take a broader view of an issue. When asked “where do you get your news from?” I default to assuming you’re talking about pieces written by journalists of some ilk, not a mob of clowns on Reddit blindly regurgitating shit.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 15:17
by Brenden
Marmaduke wrote:
Brenden wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:Read both sides of the argument, form your own opinion.

And that’s how we got to where we are now on so many important issues such as climate change and public health. People forming their opinions not from facts but from other people’s equally-presented rhetoric.

That’s a result of people crowdsourcing their news from social media, not taking the time to take a broader view of an issue. When asked “where do you get your news from?” I default to assuming you’re talking about pieces written by journalists of some ilk, not a mob of clowns on Reddit blindly regurgitating shit.

I’m actually talking about how supposedly-reputable news agencies such as the BBC will, for the sake of ‘balance’, provide viewers/readers with ‘both sides’ of just about every issue, with no regard for objective facts.

You cannot form an informed opinion just by exposing yourself to “both sides of the argument”, as you said.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 15:45
by Marmaduke
Brenden wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:
Brenden wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:Read both sides of the argument, form your own opinion.

And that’s how we got to where we are now on so many important issues such as climate change and public health. People forming their opinions not from facts but from other people’s equally-presented rhetoric.

That’s a result of people crowdsourcing their news from social media, not taking the time to take a broader view of an issue. When asked “where do you get your news from?” I default to assuming you’re talking about pieces written by journalists of some ilk, not a mob of clowns on Reddit blindly regurgitating shit.

I’m actually talking about how supposedly-reputable news agencies such as the BBC will, for the sake of ‘balance’, provide viewers/readers with ‘both sides’ of just about every issue, with no regard for objective facts.

You cannot form an informed opinion just by exporting yourself to “both sides of the argument”, as you said.


There is and always will be narrative and debate in the public domain regarding all issues of current affairs. It is not, as I see it, the responsibility of the BBC to weigh into issues with a editorial review of the debate thus far and determinations of “this is factual and correct” and “this is not factual and incorrect”. The fourth estate loses its influence when people ignore it for being an arbiter of truth. Nobody wants to be lectured to by the news. The power of the media is in steering the consumer through the issue, on presenting all the relevant information so that the consumer may take the time to educate themselves. And no, it does not always work. It doesn’t even work most of the time anymore, because people are too short of attention and exposed to too much one-sided shit that’s been targeted and thrown at their phone just so they’ll spend half a second longer looking at an advert for shampoo.

The problem isn’t that too many people are looking for both sides of the debate. It’s that nobody is. They’re accepting that the side of the debate that’s been targeted towards them and presented with a nice notification and followed up by another post relevant to their interests in order to keep them engaged is representative of the whole debate. The only way you break that is to take the time, on an issue you give a fuck about, to read an article, absorb it and then seek out another article from another perspective to compare and contrast. That’s how you weed out the facts from the opinions, because it’s predominantly the facts that bridge the articles together.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 20 March 2021, 15:53
by Brenden
I find that a majority of news articles I read, no matter from which source, are woefully devoid of objective or objectively-contextualised facts these days.

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 23 March 2021, 09:46
by ConservativeView
FOXNEWS, OANN, RT, ALJAZEERA, BBC, and CBS local

I trust some content

Re: Where do you get your news?

Unread postPosted: 23 March 2021, 12:24
by Raynethemagi
One of those news stations is pretty damn accurate!